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The power of carrot and stick: reductio ad absurdum?


By Sama Team | June 14, 2010


This week-end we had a lively discussion at the Sama Gazette about why the Obama administration but also other administrations in Europe seem to have forgotten their promises concerning Darfur. Two articles published last week originated this discussion : an article/op-ed posted on USA Today by John Prendergast: U.S. must help stop Sudan’s slow-motion war and The value of sticks and carrots for Sudan published on Enough Project website.

Many comments and strong reactions followed the publication of these articles and yesterday, Max Dana posted on her blog what she thinks about these comments, and about The value of sticks and carrots for Sudan. An enlightening article, bringing to light the complexity of the connections between public opinion, multinational corporations questionable behaviours, foreign policy priorities and the amazing work done by people of good will.

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I have expressed my humble opinion about Sudan, Burma, Congo and other issues on many occasions on this blog, looking at the root causes and trying to explain them with simple words. I have close friends working in local organizations in France but also abroad, and it is always rewarding to discuss with experienced people. For the “60 Signers for the 60th Anniversary” Initiative I launched on the occasion of the 60th Anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, I had the opportunity to meet with the presidents of Amnesty International France, UNICEF, Human Rights Watch, UNESCO, UNHCR… Each time it was enriching and I had a glimpse at the other side of the coin, where the decisions are made. Mary Robinson, the first woman President of Ireland (1990-1997), former United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights and member of The Elders, also signed the artwork I created and I am honored the independent group of eminent global leaders, brought together by Nelson Mandela, was part of this initiative. Everyone I know (concerned citizens, journalists, activists, volunteers in the field and members of organizations) coming from the four corners of the Earth, brings their experience and expertise to the discussion. But I also listen to ’simple people’, the ones who represent an important percentage of public opinion (and not necessarily dominant views) but who don’t directly support any organizations, unlike the people I just mentioned. They have a lot to say and listening to their arguments is a good way to understand shifts in public opinion and why sometimes it is hard to raise awareness about a specific issue.

Last week, I have been forwarded by a dozen different people in less than an hour, a link to an article/op-ed posted on USA Today by John Prendergast: U.S. must help stop Sudan’s slow-motion war, quickly followed by: The value of sticks and carrots for Sudan published on Enough Project website. Needless to say these articles immediately started a discussion, and we heard some strong reactions, the same ones we read in the comments on USA Today: ‘Our country has enough problems to deal with now’, ‘Let the UN handle this!‘, and so on. Considering the economic crisis and the fact some people work hard to make both ends meet, how can we blame them for wanting to solve their own problems first? Sudan but also Burma or Congo are foreign countries most people can’t even place on a map, so why would they care about the fate of men and women in distant suffering lands when they see their family, their friends or their fellow citizens suffering, being unemployed, sick or homeless? They wake up early in the morning, they have a job most of them don’t like, and maybe also work with people they can’t stand. Then they come back home, switch on the television and hopefully watch Hotel Rwanda, Syriana, Blood Diamond… Not only entertainment, they eat, spend some time with their relatives, then they go to bed. This is how the majority of people live today in developed countries, and the worst is that even if they have a job, the money they earn is often not enough to live decently; these people have a name, the working poor. Those are real situations you can’t ignore if you want to stay in touch with the public opinion. I perfectly understand what they mean, even though I don’t agree with the intolerant and bigoted opinions underpinning some of the comments I read here and there. I have always been bewildered, and that’s an understatement, by the lack of empathy and selfishness.

Back to the power of carrot and stick. What is depressing when you try to raise awareness, and I experienced it myself, is that from the beginning, you know it will be difficult to reach your goal. Aid organizations in the field actually do something, volunteers work hard and I already said it many times, I have so much respect for these amazing people. But what about advocacy organizations? And what power do we really have, as citizens? Individually, not much, I’m afraid. And what about our respective Presidents? Do the carrot and the stick are of any help when countries like China and Russia still collaborate with President Omar al-Bashir, indicted for war crimes and crimes against humanity in Darfur? When French and American companies like Total and Chevron fuel the Burmese Junta with their offshore gas fields money? When multinational corporations are importing conflict minerals and selling arms? When unregulated financial speculations (my post on this topic) put our economies at risk, create hunger, war or ecological disaster? Do our desire for sexy gadgets and trendy fashion clothes justify forcing some people to work in slave-labour conditions? There are so many examples to illustrate the awkwardness and the incoherence of the world we live in, and China, Russia, United States and France are not the only countries going astray. According to Antony Adolf in his post: When International Oil Firms Are Implicated in War Crimes, ‘a consortium of oil exploration and exploitation companies led by Swedish Lundin Petroleum and its partners including Petronas Carigali Overseas from Malaysia, OMV Exploration from Austria, and the Sudanese state-owned oil company Sudapet, are at least partly to blame for war crimes committed in Sudan between 1997 and 2003′. Now the carrot and the stick seem to have definitely lost their magical powers; Darfur: [is indeed] a World Wide Role Playing Game.

That is when comes the recurring question: ‘What do we do now? Give up and see?’ Certainly not. The same way we finally realized we were all concerned by environmental issues since we are all living on the planet Earth (thanks to the man who ‘used to be the next president of the United States of America’ and other committed personalities), maybe it is time to realize it works the same way when it comes to the inhabitants on planet Earth. People saying we should first focus on solving problems in their country are right, and they are also right when they say politicians have their hands tied when it comes to interior and foreign policies. The logical conclusion is that we, as simple citizens joining our forces, are the only ones capable of actually doing something. I think if we first stop to accept the unacceptable at our own level, then it will spread and go up the ladder. If you want to fight corruption in your neighborhood and support local organizations, that would be great. If you feel concerned about a particular humanitarian crisis, if you want to raise awareness, spread the word and/or support aid/humanitarian organizations, just do it. Some people don’t have the energy, the time or the money to do such things; so if we can do something ourselves, even if it is not much, it is our duty to do it. I strongly believe Tall oaks from little acorns grow, because in union there is strength. And I am certainly not naive saying that, when you see the ‘miracles’ civil society and individuals can achieve (International Women’s Day: Extraordinary Women). Some people say ‘charity begins at home’, so I wish everyone who thinks we should focus on ‘our’ problems should first apply their remarks to themselves. Hopefully, many already do. I don’t want to make anyone feel guilty and I don’t pretend to be in any position to give out lessons, but we should all be more committed and not wait for the others to do something. And it is not because you care about what is happening in a foreign country you don’t care about what is happening in your own country. Of all the ‘do-gooders’ I know and work with, I very seldom hear them complain about the lack of commitment from other people (they are already very busy with their hard work). The ones complaining are often not doing so much themselves, because when you give your time and money, you know the important is to give, whether it is to support someone in your own country or abroad. Maybe some people should clean up their own backyard before making judgements on others.

The digression leads us back to the op-ed posted on USA Today, and to The value of sticks and carrots for Sudan published on Enough Project. Prendergast suggests: ‘In exchange for peace in Darfur and the South, the U.S. would move to normalize relations with Sudan and work in the U.N. Security Council to suspend the war crimes indictment of President Omar Hassan al-Bashir under Article 16 of the International Criminal Court charter’. I know Prendergast’s goal is to help find solutions, and he’s working with his colleagues at Enough on a report that will spell out eight areas in which the U.S. already has leverage it is not utilizing, and proposes five more ways to increase that leverage. But many people I know who fought hard so President Omar al-Bashir can be held accountable for his actions, are baffled by this proposition. So am I, even if I know Article 16 is not new. I guess a peace process can’t really work without a process of working out compromises, just like I wrote in Darfur, Congo, Burma: is ‘good will’ enough?, but still. Does the value of sticks and carrots depends on who is holding the stick and what are the carrots? Surely. Unfortunately, talks (also known as ‘carrots’) with Iran to stop its nuclear program in exchange for normalized relations with the rest of the world didn’t bring (yet?) the anticipated results, and the military interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan (the ’sticks’) are not, to say the least, conclusive either. And that is not very far from what Prendergast suggests: ‘On the carrots side, the U.S. should present a quid pro quo with an expiration date by the end of the year […] to normalize relations with Sudan […] to suspend the war crimes indictment of President Omar Hassan al-Bashir’. As for the sticks: ‘… build international support for severe consequences for anyone promoting war…’. How did we get there? When I say ‘we’, I mean peace activists. How is it even possible to think we could simply erased and turn a blind eye on what Bashir did if he is kind enough to accept not to ‘do it’ again? If the International Criminal Court’s indictment of the Sudanese President didn’t change a thing for him, then how can we imagine written promises or agreements will do? CPA was a long time ago… Does that mean his scare-tactics are working so well, what we call our ‘carrot’ is in fact Bashir’s stick? Puzzling. And what about our stick: the ’severe consequences’. If it is about isolation or blockade, we know from Iraq, child mortality in the country had more than doubled when United Nations sanctions were imposed. But before any blockade, we will have first to pull our own companies out of the country, which is far from being done. Now if we talk about a military intervention, then the stick is in the hands of Prendergast’s fellow citizens and President who are more preoccupied by their situation than the one of the Darfuris. It turns out ‘multilateral sticks’ may not remain the greatest tool and that the value of sticks and carrots depends on your point of view. But I am eager to learn more about the eight areas in which the U.S. already has leverage on Sudan since Article 16 Prendergast mentions in his article had no lasting effects on Omar al-Bashir. Bashir and his inner circle obviously don’t view international justice as a serious threat. I tell you, Darfur: when History is a never ending story…

Then we go back to Paragraph 3: what is exactly our room to manoeuvre when the companies of the so-called ‘international allies’ with which the U.S should work ‘to build the kind of package of incentives and pressures’ are already openly and without scruples ‘working’ with (and sometimes even depend on) Sudan, Burma, Congo, and so on? Even if Special Envoy Gration said that the U.S. does not have any leverage in Sudan based on controversial reasons, we can’t ignore the fact our economic interests are intertwined, money is the root of all and we depend on foreign gas, oil, production, credit… If we tend to forget that fact, Russia and China rightfully remind it to us. The wars, the deaths and the difficulties people are facing everyday are only consequences of our greed and blind over consumption. What if we could openly tell China about Human Rights and Tibet without we fear economic retaliation? What if we could tell Russia about Chechnya and freedom of the press? What if we could clean up our own backyard and stop our companies from getting natural resources from corrupted countries? We surely didn’t kill millions of people (well, we actually did, but it was a long time ago, even if some people would say we still do by omission), but our indifference has a responsibility in what is happening. We often look away because it is easier to close our eyes than to keep them open and face the reality. We vote for politicians who make great promises to be elected who hardly keep their word and it is not without consequences. Read Nick Kristof’s Has Obama Forgotten Darfur? and you wil get the point. But let me be clear: we have to look for solutions and I have to say Prendergast and other activists are in a difficult position regarding the current situation in Sudan, not mentioning the upcoming 2011 South Sudan referendum. Even journalists are having a hard time. I read on Twitter @samagazette a message sent by Nick Kristof: ‘Reader comments on this blog r depressing. Many think Obama SHLD neglect Darfur and other foreign crises’. Kristof is a columnist for The Times since 2001 and a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner (read ‘Half the Sky’ if you didn’t already). He has lived on four continents, reported on six, and traveled to more than 150 countries, plus all 50 states, every Chinese province and every main Japanese island, and like many people, he thinks the comments on his post are depressing. Sadly, the comments reflect the mood of the public opinion and as a journalist, he’s in a good position to know that News cycle turnover, [is definitely] our today’s worst enemy. A ‘mood’ that appears to be shared by others in the Obama administration (as well as in the Sarkozy government) but like I said in Martin Luther King Jr. and Obama’s election: Free at last?, the higher the expectations, the more prone to disappoint.

To conclude, I would say it is hard to stay motivated, every action is hard to determined and to advocate for, and in the end, it is only a drop in the ocean, we all know that. I already exposed this delicate situation many times. The most revealing part of John Prendergast’s post in the last paragraph: ‘In recent years, because the Bush and Obama administrations have done such a poor job of marshaling support for multilateral pressures, we have focused inordinately on advocacy for such pressures to counter their propensity to offer carrots. This tactic on our part led many to conclude we simply wanted to hammer the NCP no matter what the facts. The position we took in the op-ed is an attempt to recalibrate our message back to its original form, where we advocate for both sticks AND carrots – not just as they relate to the NCP’s behavior in a single context, but in promotion of peace for the country as a whole’. It is so clear we need to work all together if we want actions to be effective. Even if sometimes it’s like we are speaking to a brick wall, it must not be forgotten that people of good will are everywhere and they work hard to provide help and find solutions, although sometimes I think it is People of goodwill against the rest of the world?. This, we should always remind. So I may be skeptical about the power/value of carrot(s) and stick(s) and the results we can get eventually, but I am not skeptical at all concerning everyone’s motivation at Enough Project, Save Darfur Coalition and other organizations/advocacy groups to explore all the possibilities to change the fate of millions of people in Sudan, but also in Burma with Aung San Suu Kyi and a thousand monks. Again; for Afghan Women Making the News in Paris; or in Haiti: compassion, communication, occupation… Education?.

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#1


Sama Reader Arnold

Well, once again Max Dana has found the right words to explain simply something which is not. Most of the people I know think Darfur is over and in the US like in France, everyone had enough with Darfur. Ask your friends at work or your family and you will see, the answers are similar to the ones the articles by Prendergast got.

Sad but true.

Monday, June 14, 2010 at 4:10 pm

#2


Sama Reader Simcha

I agree with Max when she says the value of sticks and carrots depends on who is holding the stick and what are the carrots. Now I don’t get where John Prendergast wants to go with this sticks and carrots thing :roll:

Monday, June 14, 2010 at 4:17 pm

#3


Sama Reader kemiko

kemiko

nice article but i am only a japanese girl and all that is way beyond my understanding :(

Monday, June 14, 2010 at 4:28 pm

#4


Sama Reader Thomas

I read Max Dana’s post on her blog yesterday and I have to say I’m afraid the majority of the public opinion is against everything that would help Sudan. Arnold is right, ask around you and you will see there is a world between what the organizations do and what public opinion thinks. In France we have the retiree problem and in the U.S there is the oil spill among others… No wonder why the comments are so against an intervention of any kind in Sudan.

Monday, June 14, 2010 at 4:53 pm

#5


Sama Reader Gino

The world is crazyyyyyyy!

——-Do the carrot and the stick are of any help when countries like China and Russia still collaborate with President Omar al-Bashir, indicted for war crimes and crimes against humanity in Darfur? When French and American companies like Total and Chevron fuel the Burmese Junta with their offshore gas fields money? When multinational corporations are importing conflict minerals and selling arms? When unregulated financial speculations (my post on this topic) put our economies at risk, create hunger, war or ecological disaster? Do our desire for sexy gadgets and trendy fashion clothes justify forcing some people to work in slave-labour conditions?——–

Monday, June 14, 2010 at 5:01 pm

#6


Sama Reader Juliette

Do our desire for sexy gadgets and trendy fashion clothes justify forcing some people to work in slave-labour conditions?

-> This for Apple and the iPad!

No, it doesn’t worth it, of course not! :evil:

Monday, June 14, 2010 at 5:45 pm

#7


Sama Reader Akvani

If only humanitarian organizations and advocacy groups were able to change the fate of millions of people……. :oops:

Monday, June 14, 2010 at 6:26 pm

#8


Sama Reader Witz

Every country has its own problems, in mine, Belgium, the country will be divided and that makes me sick and sad :(

But this shouldn’t make us forget other people suffer and they need our help. Our society has become so selfish..

Monday, June 14, 2010 at 7:15 pm

#9


Sama Reader Toby Miller

Very good post. I’m curious to know if either John Prendergast or Nick Kristof will read it. They should, they’d learn something for sure! :)

Toby.

Monday, June 14, 2010 at 7:34 pm

#10


Sama Reader Oleg

As a Russian, I know my country is not perfect with Sudan but France and the United States aren’t either.

This is so depressing to see world corrupted by money. I’m angry. I really am.

Monday, June 14, 2010 at 9:12 pm

#11


Sama Reader Dittta

I’m baffled by such stupidity from the comments on USA Today. Why are those people always complaining about something? Life is hard for everyone but decide to be selfish when others don’t is easy.

Monday, June 14, 2010 at 10:09 pm

#12


Sama Reader BettyKohn

Max said: ‘And it is not because you care about what is happening in a foreign country you don’t care about what is happening in your own country.’

Dittta, you’re right. Stop complaining people, and act for once :roll:

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 1:20 am

#13


Sama Reader Mark

Guys. We need Obama to focus on what is happening in America. Forget Sudan. Depressing but true.

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 1:57 am

#14


Sama Reader J.T. Brown

Thank God we have G.Clooney to be our moral compass here :P

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 2:33 am

#15


Sama Reader Hulksman

You can criticize Clooney all you want but most people wouldn’t know about Darfur if he didn’t attach his name to the crisis……

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 4:11 am

#16


Sama Reader Yull

Bashir does exactly what he wants, when he wants. And John Prendergast or anybody else has the power to change that :(

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 7:04 am

#17


Sama Reader Ghosty

Max is good, seriously! Her reply to John Prendergast’s article is excellent. If only he could read it.

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 8:22 am

#18


Sama Reader Avi

Avi

Me too I think Max Dana’s post is great because she doesn’t turn blind eye on the ones who disagree.

John Prendergast and Nick Kristof seem to be rather disconnected from the public opinion here :roll:

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 8:56 am

#19


Sama Reader Moshuo

I read both articles by John Prendergast and in the second one he tries to explain what he (and Clooney) meant about the solutions to bring. Either he realized he’s gone too far or he realized the solutions are not. Either way, after I read Max Dana’s post I realized in fact J.Prendergast and Enough and all the others are stucked because they are only supposed to raise awareness, not do the work the Obama administration should do. :evil:

Thanks to Max for bringing a light on the situation among peace activits. We have to keep fighting!

Bises
Moshuo

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 12:08 pm

#20


Sama Reader ErickNO

ErickNO

Once again, Max Dana’s article is a strike! More seriously, I volunteered as a doctor on several organisations in Norway and in Africa and Max is so right when she says (quote): The ones complaining are often not doing so much themselves, because when you give your time and money, you know the important is to give, whether it is to support someone in your own country or abroad. Maybe some people should clean up their own backyard before making judgements on others.

My experience has proved that and I thank Max for her always kind words for volunteers and workers in the field. Most of the time I am not paid for what I do and even if money is not what motivate me, money is important but it is a sacrifice I agreed to make years ago and I don’t regret it for one minute. I wish everyone reads this article, please share it with your friends because everything is explained with words everyone can easily understand.

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 1:19 pm

#21


Sama Reader JBKaval

There is someting I don’t understand: why so many people did everything for the ICC to indict al-Bashir and now they throw the indictment to the trash and agree to ‘forget’ what the dictator did. The message is clear: even you are indicted for war crimes and crimes against humanity, no worry, it won’t last long and we will work with you anyway.

C’est n’importe quoi !!

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 5:30 pm

#22


Sama Reader Pilar

¡Hola! Me too I saw Max’s post first on her blog, I check it everyday! And me too I was feeling very strangely when I read the op/ed by Prendergast/Clooney. You know I like Clooney a lot and I think what he does for Darfur is great but maybe he should spend more time advocating for Darfur so people don’t think he doesn’t care anymore. I was feeling strangley because Max is right to point out there is problem: public opinion thinks one way and the organizations another way. They are not supported and that’s a shame but we can’t ignore the fact we also have difficulties… But like Max said and your comments, it’s not a reason to do nothing :evil:

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 6:27 pm

#23


Sama Reader gloria

gloria

I am not an expert or anything about these crisis but I doubt any organisations will find the solution because all issues are different.

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 7:02 pm

#24


Sama Reader Goeff

Very good article by Max Dana indeed. But I’m afraid good intentions just isn’t enough when there is so much at stake :oops:

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 11:51 pm

#25


Sama Reader JohnnieW

‘In exchange for peace in Darfur and the South, the U.S. would move to normalize relations with Sudan and work in the U.N. Security Council to suspend the war crimes indictment of President Omar Hassan al-Bashir under Article 16 of the International Criminal Court charter’

Maybe it’s hard for Obama to reach a compromise when everyone’s goals are so different…..

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 at 3:06 am

#26


Sama Reader Fonzy

Fonzy

The Max Dana Think Tank :P

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 at 6:18 am

#27


Sama Reader B.Crew

B.Crew

Maybe I’m being selfish but I work 10 hours a day to pay my rent and help my sick mother. Honestly, I don’t care what’s happening in Sudan right now. Everyone has his own problem to deal with, I’m sorry……..

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 at 10:33 am

#28


Sama Reader Witz

I said in my comment that our society has become so selfish because there people who could do something and they don’t. B.Crew you were not concerned by what I said, I had some hard times myself you know :(

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 at 12:24 pm

#29


Sama Reader Juliette

Exactly Witz. I would like to make a clarification about what I commented too. What I said is what Max Dana explains: for some people it’s impossible to do anything but for others, they CAN do something and these ones (and I am one of them although I’m not rich) it is our duty to DO something. Simple!

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 at 12:47 pm

#30


Sama Reader Grotesque

Grotesque

Who defines who can do something and who can’t? :oops:

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 at 12:59 pm

#31


Sama Reader @rnelle

@rnelle

Some people feel guilty for all they have even if they don’t have much. Some others just want to ease their conscience. Sometimes I feel I don’t have enough and when I see how some people live, I know I can’t complain. That is the point when you know you can do something like Juliette just said.

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 at 1:10 pm

#32


Sama Reader Agathen

Agathen

Solution: invading Sudan? Sometimes you can’t solve problems with negotiation. Force is often necessary. :twisted:

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 at 3:31 pm

#33


Sama Reader Meddi

Wars never brought peace. It’s not a solution, it’s another problem. Max points out one important thing to me: money is the root of all. Every country has interests in other countries and that’s why we let dictator and corrupted presidents do whatever they want. Or we invade a country because we need their natural resources like in Iraq. That’s very, very stupid!!!

-Meddi

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 at 4:05 pm

#34


Sama Reader CaptainMoore

Toby Miller, I doubt John Prendergast or Nick Kristof care about what people think. They are cut from their audience. Period. :roll:

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 at 4:22 pm

#35


Sama Reader Lissa

Hi everyone! I am late to comment this great post by Max Dana but I have so many things to say about it! First I read all your comments and they show many people are ready to give a hand to the ones in need and that’s amazing! Second, there is no reason to be desperate because there are many people of good will doing great in helping people at different levels. Third, what Max said really boosted me because she both accepts everyone’s opinion and at the same time she explains it is not wrong to be selfish sometimes but also that it is our duty to do something. If you are a religious person, you already know that ;)

Thanks for this great article and I’m sure J. Prendergast and N. Kristof have read it already :)

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 at 6:13 pm

#36


Sama Reader BettyKohn

I had dinner with a friend of mine and he too thinks there should be a military intervention in Sudan. I was puzzled about that :roll:

Thursday, June 17, 2010 at 12:34 am

#37


Sama Reader nathan_zivi

nathan_zivi

Special Envoy Gration said that the U.S. does not have any leverage in Sudan. Where is the Enough report that will spell out eight areas in which the U.S. already has leverage it is not utilizing?

Thursday, June 17, 2010 at 3:50 am

#38


Sama Reader Ponditi

There is no quick answer. But maybe it’s time to actually do something about Sudan, before the upcoming 2011 South Sudan referendum or it will be a disaster.

Thursday, June 17, 2010 at 4:13 am

#39


Sama Reader Mark

Multilateral pressures don’t exist, Gration’s right :roll:

Thursday, June 17, 2010 at 6:41 am

#40


Sama Reader N’Gaye

It is good to see you all again my Sama friends :) But the topic is not very happy. Like I said many times in my past comments Africa don’t need America or Europe to be saved. We need America and Europe to stop corrupting our Presidents and to stop dealing with militia with the sole purpose of making money. I am happy to read Max Dana again on this topic because she understands why it is complicated to deal with Sudan and other countries because in one hand America and Europe work with these countries and in the other hand, they want to boycott them or invade them. It can’t work this way and your governements have to clean up their own backyard before they say to others what to do.

From a peace activist from Congo/Kenya, Africa.

Thursday, June 17, 2010 at 7:29 am

#41


Sama Reader questizzo

questizzo

+1 N’Gaye :oops:

Thursday, June 17, 2010 at 11:30 am

#42


Sama Reader Arnold

It’s very well said N’Gaye and maybe Max Dana’s voice should be heard more than it is right now. We don’t agree on everything among the Sama Readers but we all know it is not that easy to find solutions. I hope Prendergast will come with something strong :roll:

Thursday, June 17, 2010 at 12:14 pm

#43


Sama Reader KalieMero

KalieMero

I suddenly feel so powerless………. And so sad :cry:

Friday, June 18, 2010 at 5:03 pm

#44


Sama Reader Meddi

I just read on the Friday Digest post (comments are off because of spam I guess) that Al Qaida may have helped Sudanese killers of U.S. official escape. How is it possible? I wonder if it wasn’t a deal with Sudan in some kind. :roll:

-Meddi

Friday, June 18, 2010 at 6:45 pm

#45


Sama Reader Juliette

Meddi, I got worse: Two rebel leaders accused in the September 2007 attack that resulted in the death of 12 peacekeepers in Darfur arrived voluntarily at the International Criminal Court (ICC) today and will appear before judges on Thursday

Maybe we should ignore the ICC sentence, just like it is suggested by J. Prendergast! Sorry but it’s been a very long day and reading peacekeepers were killed really touched me. :(

Friday, June 18, 2010 at 11:26 pm

#46


Sama Reader Sephiroot

Sephiroot

Same here Kalie. Some people would think it’s indifference but it’s not. The solution is bigger than us.

Saturday, June 19, 2010 at 2:57 am

#47


Sama Reader Arnold

I agree with Juliette, it’s hard to make a deal with killers BUT Prendergast is dealing with al-Bashir, killer number 1. He doesn’t want to set him free but deal with him as leverage and pressures. The problem is, like Max said, to determine if the pressures/the sticks really work because Sudan doesn’t need the US or France to earn money, China and Russia already give him a lot… :roll:

Saturday, June 19, 2010 at 10:14 am

#48


Sama Reader Mark

Yeah.. I said it already, multilateral pressures don’t exist, Gration’s right :roll:

Saturday, June 19, 2010 at 7:30 pm

#49


Sama Reader Glitterbomb [+] Visit Website

Glitterbomb

Great insight. Will be back to read more.

Friday, August 26, 2011 at 2:12 pm



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